This morning (PST), social media has the usual suspects claiming the Yanks are closing in on the momentarily and massively oveerrated Sonny Gray, and that the A's are willing to accept Estevan Florial. How kind of them. Any team getting a 5 tool OF like Florial for a non-ace starter like Sonny Gray should be doing back flips. This is particularly troubling for the Yanks because, after trading Rutherford for a curious package of players they'd previously dismissed, the OF cupboard is BARE after any Florial trade. They have no tooled up and productive OF's below Charleston. And this guy has a pretty good shot at eventually being an all-star for the Yanks and his power is lefty. Just a hideous error instead of the smart play of keeping him. Feels like this is gonna be a rough day.
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If this happens one cannot reasonably absolve anyone. You take the check, it's on you.
One more time with feeling, they are not that good. Last year the Cubs were knocking on the door so they overpaid for Chapman. That's not this group
And if you were going to be stupid and greedy, be stupid for Darvish. He's better
And a rental, and you throw good prospects after a rental. And by the way, they will boast about the years of control they get by trading for Gray.
Definitely a rental (although they can sign them if they want to), but if you put a gun to my head forcing me to choose that's the direction I go in.
Now I feel even stronger in my conviction
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Florial is pretty great, but if NYY can build a package around a kid with a 30% K rate in Low-A, it would be nearly impossible to pass up.
Love the farm but I'd trade Florial for Gray, especially if he's the main piece we're giving up.
If it does happen though, I think I'll need to stay away from here for a few days till you hooligans calm down :)
Last week, we decided they must like Florial better than Rutherford. So now the idea is they didn't like either one of them.
Rather package up Mateo for Darvish.
Keeping Darvish longer-term might also help them with Otani
Phil made an excellent point: If you trade Florial, where is your outfield depth? Fowler just suffered a catastrophic injury and didn't have much plate discipline when he was healthy. Gardner and Ellsbury aren't long-term solutions. As much as I like what Hicks has become, he could start to get expensive if this isn't just some flash in the pan.
You have to keep Florial sans a bonafide stud coming back. He has a legit chance to stick in center, unlike Rutherford, and he's possibly your best prospect left with most of the top ones graduating.
If they trade Florial, Mateo's position to centerfield.
If they were getting top quality players, I wouldn't mind so much. They haven't gotten any and wouldn't in this deal.
Right. Gray makes sense from a team control aspect, but the guy's injury history is a big red flag, and he's not a bonified No. 1 right now. I just don't get the front office's supposed fascination.
I think he is merely a means to an end. They appear to be drawing the line at prospects who are further away, and what they have gotten back and Gray are apparently what they will buy. The suits badly want to make the playoffs and Cashman and Girardi's contacts are expiring. That's a dangerous mix.
I am sure Mateo will be part of the deal for Gray
NY Post is stating Oakland likes Florial, Mateo AND Acevedo..
NY Post sure does love to state the obvious.
At this point if it means holding onto Florial then fine, take the other two. Sad it's come to that, but it appears it has.
I don't see anything out there worth Florial or Mateo.
A poster on RAB with an excellent point: "Just to be clear, after going through 5 injury plagued years with Pineda and 2 injury plagued years with Eovaldi, we want to give up three of our top prospects for a pitcher with a lot of injury baggage?"
Insane.
FWIW, Yankeesource on Twitter, who scouts Japan, thinks the Darvish-Otani stuff is overblown.
They they reportedly told Det they won't take all of Verlander's contract so they can get under the luxury tax. So they aren't re/signing Yu if they got him
Looks like they are making progress towards a deal with Gray and Alonzo
Anti-progress is the new progress.
This will hurt more than the CWS deal
So great we got Todd Frazzled
Autocorrect as artifacts intellectual
Or something
Really annoying that Girardi wouldn't let Montgomery finish the inning.
And overworks the pen every time he does something like that.
Betances is destroying his value. They should trade him at the deadline.
He is now making me long for Torre.
1.5 GB. They will sell like Willy Loman.
To that point, the New York Post has an article stating that although they're not willing to pay as high a price as they were for Quintana because of Gray's injuries issues, they are still willing to pay a high price just not as highbOakland wants. At least not yet.
Cashman's blind spot on pitching is what makes him a mediocre GM. Some very good moves some really bad ones.
But in New York if you trade for names they love you. Because New Yorkers want to win now, even if it means never winning
Has Cashman ever acquired a starting pitcher via trade outside of Roger Clemens that worked out well for them? He has signed some very good ones (Mussina, Kuroda, Sabathia, Tanaka to name a few), but trading for pitching has been a weakness, which is why I'm wary of any starters he acquires.
2 best that come to mind, albeit not blockbusters, was Shawn Chacon & Brandon McCarthy..
Failed starters include Weaver (all the talent in the world) & Vazquez.
You can't look at a history and deduce that the GM will make a trade for a failed starter. New York is a different animal and some guys can handle the pressure where as others can't, case in point is Vazquez. Loved the trade but he sucked, what can you do.
I'm in the camp for wanting Gray but obviously it depends on the cost.
What has changed now, or at least there is real hope that it has, is that after not developing any true front of the rotation starters under Cashman (with the possible exception of Wang, although tons of caveats there), he may finally be able to point to Sevy and Montgomery. We need a larger sample size for a true assessment.
That failure is what has spawned risky moves in free agency (Pavano) or trades (Pineda, Eovaldi), let alone the ones he publicly professed interest in but failed to get (Hamels, Dempter, etc).
That new found success is why risky trade are now so especially messed up.
Be freakin patient.
I'm in the camp of being patient and not going for it this year. I'm in favor of making up the starts with Smith and German.
I'm fine with going for it depending on the deal. They're only one game back in the standings as of this writing, and they have a Wild Card spot right now.
The issue is with the player in particular. Pineda and Eovaldi were both injury riddled during their time in the Bronx, and now they want to trade top prospects for a guy with injury red flags? It just doesn't seem like the smart move, even when you factor the team control aspect of acquiring Gray (which, admittedly, is a fair point).
Although I've resigned myself to the idea that holding onto Florial would be a win no matter what else goes for Gray.
If they trade Florial that "careful buyers" thing was Bubba Crosby will be the starting CF level bullshit but in the opposite way.
Jorge Mateo hit a grand slam a few minutes ago.
Yu Darvish’s 10-team no-trade list, per sources: BAL, BOS, CHC, CLE, COL, CWS, DET, OAK, PIT, TOR. Free to go to LAD, NYY, HOU, all others.
I would not trade Mateo either. If they do count on the fact that he'll be a player for 10-15 years and the player they get back will be on the DL most of that time if not retired.
Who's the future centerfielder that you can count on right now, Gardner? he's the one who should be traded.
I think Mateo and Florial both have a shot at being all stars and serious weapons.
CDC -- can't demote Clint.
Not if you're pretending to win this year.
And hex even has a walk, which had been the one flaw in his game up here, although I attribute that to trying to impress
Cessa isn't even replacement level
Wha...
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Add another entrant into the Justin Wilson sweepstakes: The Yankees.
Clint Frazier is 6-for-14 with 1 HR, 1 3B, 2 2B, 10 RBI and slugging .929 with RISP so far. -- @eboland11
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This is a superficially smart sounding column that is actually quite stupid
http://nypost.com/2017/07/26/yankees-have-a-new-ace-and-reason-for-sonny-gray-restraint/amp/
"The Yankees seem to have made their top four or five prospects off-limits. That is believed to include Clint Frazier (who’s up with the Yanks, and thriving), Gleyber Torres and Justus Sheffield. Estevan Florial is another guy the Yankees prefer not to trade."
I really hope this is true.
Clint DHing
Tonight's lineup: Gardner 7 C Frazier dh judge 9 Sanchez 2 Gregorius 6 Headley 3 Ellsbury 8 T Frazier 5 Wade 4 sabathia 1 -- @eboland11
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I would trade Hicks. Three good months out of an entire career. That would be trading high.
They might have been forced into being sellers without Clint.
Still the Sanchize?
It's hard to see a one injury prone picture is going to compensate for the lack of depth in the rotation
They need to comeback in this game in the 9th, just to get it off Wade.
Done.
So Oakland is looking for Torres or Frazier in a deal for Gray/Alonso?
WOW
I don't want them for free.
They are probably only asking for them to get every prospect they want below them.
I am no more willing to give up Florial, Mateo, and Acevedo. Like Rutherford, all are likely to be worth much much more in a year.
Cashman has the ability to walk away but pitching is his kryptonite in these situations.
If Mateo gets us Gray, you make that deal.
I would only trade him for a pitcher with no injury issues, and even then it would be hard.
I would package up Mateo for Darvish.
Save for 2 good weeks after his promotion to AA, Mateo hasn't been good for over a year..
If he's the main piece, he's expendable in my eyes.
If Mateo is the reason they don't trade Florial, then fine. Gray is a good pitcher who will help them win games — but it's not unreasonable to be wary of giving up valuable chips for someone coming off an injury-riddled 2016. One of those injuries was the dreaded forearm strain, so if he comes to NY and then has to have surgery, people will have every right to be upset about it. Pineda and Eovaldi are still fresh on everyone's minds.
I agree that Darvish is much more appealing but it doesn't sound like he is being priced as a rental and it seems that Hal is determined to finally get under the lux tax, so in all likelihood he would be gone after this season.
We have had too many injury prone starters. That RAB post Mike referenced is spot on.
I would trade Mateo for a young ACE. I wouldn't trade him for Gray or the Darvish rental. Yanks got great by having the best talent and not giving it away.
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