Yanks: All Four Eligible Pitchers Have Filed for Arb.
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Tuesday, January 13, 2015
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Wouldn't you say Pineda needs to prove that he could stay healthy too and Eovaldi needs to acclimate himself?
I think both should be approached at or around the ASB even though half a season is a SSS. We could probably identify if they are worthy of at least 4/30-40mil type offers.
I was thinking of just buying out their arb years.
Not deals we couldn't trade though.
And I did mention that the same could be said for Pineda, but I think he's enough of a brand that we could move him again, even with a new deal.
Repost from the other thread:
Billy, I'm going to have to disagree that defense is "just as important, if not more so, than scoring runs." You have to score runs to win, and as Phil said, much of defense is pitching. I don't think anyone expects Refs to be the next big thing as much as they hope he's give a fair shot with time to develop. As I've said a million times, let him learn 2B in a year they aren't winning the World Series anyway.
Refs can start the year in AAA and get some confidence before jumping into the fire. Drew is just a bridge and will not block him. Yanks have no problem getting rid of 1 yr players (Soriano) and that was even with little replacements to actually turn to.
By the way, Yoan Lopez was the biggest contract ever for a player subject to international bonus pool.
Do people honestly expect the Yanks to just spend 100mil on 2 cuban players that need to start in the minors that needs to be paid immediately?
Offense wins that's why they are called the Bombers. It worked pre Cashman; it'll work post Cashman
As far as buying out arbitration years, depends on their budget what's how willing to spend and when.
I wouldn't sign Nova though.
I expect nothing, but I would prefer that they spend big money on young players with upside rather than older players who are likely to decline.
Is the pitcher Yoan supposed to be an ace? If not, passing on him doesn't bother me that much.
Yes he has ace potential
"The $8 million cost us $16 million," Stewart said.
Lopez is a 6-3, 190-pound right-handed pitcher that throws in the mid-90s, according to Baseball America. He also throws a curveball, slider and changeup. In his last season pitching for Isla De La Juventud in Cuba, Lopez posted a 3.12 ERA, while striking out 28 and walking 11 in 49 innings (seven starts).
And it's one after another. They woukd rather give crazy money to Ellsbury,who I like but not at that money, an aging Beltran, a declining McCann, instead of how many of these top Cubans, it is sickening.
Beltran was laughably dumb. McCann I think will rebound somewhat but I doubt he gets back to what he was doing in Atlanta. Ellsbury is ridiculously over-paid but at least he's a good player.
A-Rod and Teixeira (who I don't blame them for giving the contract when they did) just add to the problem.
Didn't want any of them. I wanted Tanaka and the three first round picks we gave up to sign those guys.
Lopez is a few years away so we will see what he turns into to..
In other news....
http://nypost.com/2015/01/14/johan-santana-making-a-comeback-and-the-yankees-are-interested/
Good move on a minor league deal.
We should have one of the best defense in the league.
"Like" button for Kale's comment. I think at least Beltran and Ellsbury were an overreaction to losing Cano and reflect PR considerations as well as baseball ones.
I also like the idea of making medium term offers that extend control beyond the arb years. Given the fragility of pitchers, it should be possible to come up with offers that are pretty hard to refuse but that don't break the bank; the sort of offer that says to the pitcher "I know your agent thinks it's in his best interest to hold you out until FA, but do you really want to take the risk of being injured between now and then and winding up just with arb money, when you can make some significant bucks now by giving up FA for 2-3 years?" Obviously that doesn't work with the super-superstars, but it should be pretty tempting for a 2-3 sort.
I would pass on Santana. They don't need more reasons not to give Mirchell a shot.
This is a big year for Mitchell. Needs to dominate and end the one bad inning thing that has sometimes plagued him.
If Johan can start I think a minor league deal wouldn't hurt. We have very little fight now in the way of SP depth.
I wouldn't mind Santana at all on the MiLB deal, Don't want to rush Severino.
Well, that's why I didn't think they could afford to trade Greene, but they aren't winning this year so I think it should be about development.
it should be, but I don't want them panicking and calling up Santana before he's ready. Though I do think he will be ready at some point this year.
I'm really perplexed at this idea that the Yanks aren't winning this year.
Improved defense, elite bullpen and I'm optimistic in thinking our offense will come back to life, especially with Jeter no longer being dead weight at the top of the order.
There's so much parity in baseball, if Yanks beat the teams that are bottom dwellers and stay healthy, there's zero reason to believe they can't compete.
Moncada is going to be a bellweather on the franchise for me.
Sign him, and I will be better able to see through the dark clouds.
If not, I think it's going to be a mess until they get an owner who cares about more than appearances.
No excuses. They have let too many talented Cubans pass to get one.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/just-a-bit-outside/story/yoan-moncada-cuban-prospect-red-sox-yankees-dodgers-011415?adbid=555422450322661376&adbpl=tw&adbpr=22819823&adbsc=MLBB_20150114_38772017
You left out fragile, aging, and declining.
So remain perplexed and gloat when they win it all.
You will deserve to do it.
The age of the hitters is what worries me. Tex has sucked for years, Beltran was terrible last year, and McCann was even worse. And what will ARod be? Gardy and Ellsbury are okay, but we don't have any in prime power hitters to knock them in,
I think pitching and D will be a plus, but I don't think you can win that way, unless you have some bats.
Billy, you are far more optimistic about the offense than I am.
I don't expect Beltran to do anything but continue to decline offensively, and his defense was already bad in right. They signed him way too late in his career. As I said above, I do think McCann will experience some bounce back, but I certainly don't see him returning to the hitter he was in his Atlanta days.
Teixeira and A-Rod will continue to decline and take up both roster and payroll space.
Ellsbury and Gardner are good but are basically the same power — speedy, defensive guys who can hit but not with much power. (Ellsbury is much better on the basepaths than Gardner.) As Phil said, the thing they lack is power bats to drive them in. You'd think a team with the nickname "Bronx Bombers" would put a premium on big bats, but that doesn't seem to be the case lately.
I do think the pitching will be strong if healthy, but that's a big if at this point. The defense should be good for the most part, but I place much more value on offense.
The Yankees big bats are almost all teenagers at this point.
Phil
I think that one could make a strong case that the 2 biggest bats in the organization right now are Judge and Bird, and they are not quite teenagers anymore. In fact, both will probably be here by the ALB in 2016, if not sooner.
I actually expect some bounce back from Beltran because he is one of their few really talented hitters, but if he is playing RF most of the time, the risk of injury is pretty high.
So Hal is quoted in the NYP that Cashman is doing a "great job."
Black is the new orange.
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