Yanks Overpay for Ackley
posted by Kalel9 @ 2:07 PM
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posted by Kalel9 @ 2:07 PM
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Please win this year, Yankees, because the poor upper management is eventually going to sink you.
Billy, in response to your other post... I hear what you're saying RE: Mitchell. But as far as Ackley goes, this appears to be yet another instance of "get a guy who sucks and hope he turns it around" instead of playing Refsnyder. If more moves are on the way, I'll reconsider, but for now, it just seems rather silly.
What they do with Refs will be the tell.
SWB beat writer Donnie Collins says he thinks they try to make him a Brock Holt-type player. If true, that changes my opinion considerably.
The corresponding roster move(s) will be the tale.
They can prove that by bringing up Refs.
I'd be willing to trade Refs for something that really improves the team because I believe he is in the second of third tier of prospects we finally control. I do think he will be a major leaguer and should be for us, unless a really good deal comes along.
Ackley has more versatility in my opinion .. He also has an absurdly low BABIP, which means he has had some bad luck .... Flores is what on on the OF depth chart? Behind, slade, Mason and judge ... He's beyond expandable and this is coming from a big time Flores fan .... Jose just doesn't trust his stuff -- if he pitched like Didgo Moreno did the other night, he would still be in the bigs. We have 4/5 other people like him, so I also bs e no problem with this ... We can categorize this as buy low because we did but Ackley swing is Taylor made for this stadium... As I mentioned I the previous post, since he had no options left I am 100% expecting another move to occur soon -- what that is exactly is tbd but I anxiously await this move. If we leave this deadline with severino, judge, bird, mAteo still on the roster, I'll be happy
I agree, Phil. I'm open to trading him, but it has to be in the right deal.
@BryanHoch: Michael Pineda said the plan is 7-10 days without throwing. He doesn't seem too concerned.
Of course, they never seem too concerned until they are.
His LD% is 13.3%, so of course his BABIP is going to be low, just like Drew's.
I think people wouldn't be pining for Refsnyder so much if production at second base was even average. It's just so painful to watch that they want SOMETHING different.
Just like Roberts last year. Veterans are allowed to suck, homegrown kids, nope.
@LoHudYankees: Nick Goody and Bryan Mitchell have each been recalled by Yankees
What's the point with Goody if Girardi won't pitch him, unless he's only insurance for a few days?
Andrew Bailey was promoted to AAA by the way.
They have been trying to get Ackley for years.
Meanwhile Pineda to the DL, Cotham sent down and I don't know what the other move to clear the third space is.
I think sticking with Didi and getting better play from him makes us wonder what if Ref were given a similar chance.
I think sticking with Didi and getting better play from him makes us wonder what if Ref were given a similar chance.
At least Didi seems to be showing something for all of the patience given to him. Drew, bless his heart, just isn't getting it done.
It is amazing how a young player can eventually relax and let his talent show through when he has the comfort of knowing he isn't playing for his job every single night...every single play.
Bottom line: If Refs is made the everyday 2B, I am fine with this move. If not, then no.
I honestly don't see how this can be seen as a bad move -- we have a 40 man roster crunch and Flores is a tweener -- not enough power for a corner spot and not emough defense for center -- I have always been his biggest fan but realize that he is what he is ---- Mariners player development in regards to hitters is the worst in the game -- I have faith that getting Ackley away from Safeco will be a huge boost -- I played with Dustin for multiple years and I'm a tad biased but he has great discipline and should flourish here as a complimentary piece instead of someone who's looked to carry the offense -- his discipline will carry him and his pull power will play at the stadium
The Yankees' player development with regard to hitters is not exactly exemplary.
Cool to hear you played with Dustin, Billy. Was that at UNC or in high school? And any insight as to why the M's are so bad at developing hitters? From what I've read, their front office comes off as immensely dysfunctional.
Lawyer, you're right, BTW. Giving Didi assurances that he would be allowed to work through the inevitable early struggles has paid dividends. That's the approach they need to be taking with all of their assets.
And as far as being expected to carry the offense, I think it's inarguable that the Mariners gave up the ghost on that a long time ago.
Seager has developed very well. In fact, the Yankees haven't developed a hitter like Seager in years.
They added Cano last year, and Cruz this year.
So there the context is not as you make it out to be.
It feels to me, since they've been after him for so long, that either pro scouts or the analytics guys see an easy fix for Ackley. Maybe a combination of both departments.
Two more things: Rothschild and the hitting coaches are really seeming to pay dividends on the coaching up side. See Eovaldi, Didi and getting Headley back on track.
And LiNJ, they changed all the development people and as you can see hitters stopped stalling out at AA this year. I really think the development program is going to catch up with the scouting program.
Yeah, they changed everyone but the person in charge, yet that is the most important piece.
@DanBarbarisi: Girardi said that if they were to use Ackley at 2nd, they'd have to work him out there first. Seems more ominous for Jones than Drew, then.
LINJ, I'd actually be fine with Cashman if he would simply stop letting Girardi have his (bad) comfort players and give the youth an extended shot.
I think change is healthy when a team underperforms it's abundant advantages for so long.
Beyond that, when he says offense is the keys/kingdom, I will be forced to rethink.
Giants signed James Jones
I was typing a long response and hit the wrong button on my phone and it went away -- to answer yor question Mike, I played with Dustin in AAU through high school and then we worked out together for freshman year-- I was good friends with his two teammates @ UNC -- garret gore and Timmy fed. In regards to mariners player development, just look at the top players they've ruined that were "locks" to be stud hitters -- Smoak, Ackley and Montero --- i'm sure I'm missing others but Smoak was one of the best pure hitters I've ever Played with or against (Pedro Alvarez is the other) and the fact that he stalled out is on the Mariners development --- im very hopeful that getting away from that environment will be beneficial but we'll see.
Dodgers DFA's Morse and others today. What brutal inefficiency.
Btw, Brady Lail is making his scheduled start for Trenton and Gary Sanchez has crushed a two run bomb for Scranton!
Have the Mets embarrassed themselves today?
Billy, I watched Alvarez a bit as a student at Alabama when the Tide played Vanderbilt. I thought for sure he'd be a stud at the MLB level, though the power certainly has translated. Smoak is someone whose lack of success baffles me, just like Montero.
So Gomez is going to the Astos?
Mike -- Pedro was unbelievable -- he had full ride offers to EVERY college in America -- I still remember when the draft came around his senior year in HS -- phone calls every second asking what he wanted to be bought out of his scholarship but he refused -- seriously, the dude could hit anything -- the only player I ever saw come close to his ability was Sonny Gray -- yes, the pitcher for the A's... He was on the same level as Pedro , which just shows you how special he really is.
CC continues to kill us.
Retire, CC. You're hurting the team.
Yeah, if he and Drew are all about the clubhouse ruling, management has lost control
I don't understand this mentality that declining/washed up veterans are safer and deserving of never-ending excuses.
Great teams don't do that.
Get CC out of there. Why call up Mitchell and have him miss a start when Girardi won't make a move?
What is the opposite of meritocracy?
Weaksauce from the O.
This is pathetic
Got out of it!
Girardi wad rewarded for a bad decision
Teix or A-Rod, almost nightly.
Offense wins.
"They want to believe in CC Sabathia"
Faith based baseball
McCann is calling a shitty game.
He isn't a good catcher
We need to injure Andrus for socking Didi in the nuts.
Billy, when I found out Alvarez was a Red Sox draftee out of high school, I was quite thankful he opted to go to Vandy. I wished the Yankees would draft him, though I knew better than to think he'd be there by the time they picked.
So, I heard Ellsbury misplayed a ball while Beltran sat in right sipping pina coladas, is that true?
Here's a Twitter take I agree with:
Jed Weisberger @jedleyq 2h2 hours ago
Again, CC was a great warrior. Now, unfortunately, he is done. If he stays in rotation, will lose 17 or 18 games on a team way above .500.
And then some guy named Phil posted this:
Phil Walsh @PhilipJWalsh 45m45 minutes ago
Girardi is asleep and dreaming stupid dreams.
Blind squirrel
I'm Phil Walsh and posted that.
When CC pitches I don't even turn the game on until I know it's about the 5th inning. After the 1st inning it looks as if CC ran a marathon and every inning after the opponent is threatening.... tough to watch ..
How many pitches for Betances tonight?
Who was the last Yankee manage not to be aided by some stellar relievers?
Nick B. Goody
@Kalel9, I'm aware. :)
Goody is someone I think has a future in this pen.
CC really does put a lot of stress on every other segment of the team
That was scary. And Andrus stinks
That one's on Girardi.
He is a bad manager. But Cashman will overpay for Kimbrel and Goofy Joe will be toasted by the mediots
OK, in all seriousness, you can't keep starting CC. You just can't.
Money talks
Waldman quoting Joey on CC: he gave us five innings
It's strange that some smart people on Twitter think any criticism of Cashmsn or Girardi is being spoiled
Bryan Hoch @BryanHoch
CC Sabathia is going to keep starting, Girardi said (again): “You have to keep working on it and try to get better each time he goes out."
I suspect we'll have Kimbrel by the time I wake up out here on the West coast.
Unless the Padres come down from their demands, I doubt the Yankees get Kimbrel. I'm thinking he goes to Houston.
I think Houston is being used to try to drive up our offer.
Or mayb not. Seems like the Astros and Padres are making a big trade.
What are you willing to give up for Kimbrel?
Wade or Cave and a non-Severino pitcher or two.
I don't like the idea in general because it could cause problems with asset allocation as Betances gets more expensive, but ok at that price. They also need to keep Mirchell now.
Pineda's injury is not just about the firearm/elbow. His mechanics/kinesiology issues could be ongoing.
And to take stress off his arm, would it surprise you if at some point Pineda became a reliever? I can see it.
Not sure how feasible or costly, but Rosenthal threw out an idea of the Yankees possibly getting Ross in a bigger deal. he did indicate cost would likely be too much
I would rather go with Mitchell and Severino.
The Red Sox like Tyson Ross quite a bit and have been operating “very quietly” in the trade market for starting pitching, reports ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick (on Twitter). Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Red Sox have talked to the Padres, with Ross as one possible target, though he notes that they also have the prospect depth to expand a deal to include Craig Kimbrel.
Sherman is saying the sticking point on Kimbrel is Mateo.
Carter Capps?
Severino is approaching his innings limit for the year... not sure what it is but it's getting close
He's got 50 or so left, unless they have a different formula now.
Btw, there's a new Deadline post.
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