Yanks Swap Prospects for Possible Scum
What's also strange is that the Yanks were supposedly favored to sign Chapman as an IFA but Hal or someone soured on making an offer when he refused to throw a bullpen for them at Yankee Stadium when he visited.
If you can separate out the allegations, I'm still not a fan of this deal. I feel like the Yanks are in position to build their bullpen from within. And I'm never in favor or dealing young starters like Rookie for relievers. Likewise, I don't like dealing advanced bats like Jagielo. Finally, after the allegations, and the collapse of the original Dodger deal, wouldn't you think Chapman could be had for less?
Meanwhile, this also leaves the Yanks with possibly the two best left handed closers in baseball. Which doesn't make a lot of sense, so perhaps Miller to the Dodgers or some other deal is still on the way. We'll see. I find this ponderous, and have no idea how they expect to need an all world bullpen with their gimpy starters and anemic offense.
posted by Kalel9 @ 1:59 PM
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I don't disagree with anything you said.
If he did it, I don't want him for free. It's not like he paid the penalty then repented and deserves a second chance.
Beyond all that, more moves are coming.
Yes, they must be.
Player for player, I've no problem with the deal. Jageilo was never gonna stick at third from reports. The DV this is very concerning, though.
On the player side, position players and starters are much more important than relievers. Can Jagielo stick at 3B, can Davis be a #2/3? If so, it may turn out to be another instance of not picking a lane, caught forever between pretending and contending. That after all is why they wasted money on Headley.
As to your first question, everything I've heard in regard to Jagielo's defense says no, he won't stick there. I don't know enough about Davis to comment on him.
No question Headley was a mistake. If he rebounds at all, I hope they ship him off somewhere after the 2016 season.
There was an article over the weekend showing BABIP favored bounce backs from both Headley and Ellsbury.
Ells has to stay on the field first.
If Headley hit I would move him immediately.
I think there's a little over infatuation with prospects here -- Davis is projected as a 4/5 and Jagielo is destined to be a light hitting 1b as there's no chance he plays 3b. These aren't can't miss prospects and nothing we should be fretting about.
My main concern here is the DV accusations: Are they true and, if so, is he repentant?
I never felt Jagielo had a spot with his allegedly questionable defense. If that's Davis's upside then there are other guys who can reach that. The other two are filler. Probably the only trade this offseason I'm down with, player for player.
Can't we also say that the Yankees are infatuated with veterans like Headley?
I think there is a tendency to overstate a young player's weaknesses while minimizing those of veterans. Yet only the younger player has a chance to get better.
Asked about possible brushback following the trade, Yankees’ general manager Brian Cashman admitted there was some concern.
“Certainly there are some serious issues here that are in play and that’s why obviously it’s gonna play out,” Cashman said. “I acknowledge that it’s an area of concern, certainly reflected in the asking price. And there’s risk.”
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I don't perceive a refutation of the underlying offense.
Is a potential abuser an undervalued asset worth exploiting?
There appear to be no consequences for veteran shortcomings, but infallibility is expected of rookies who want to play.
“I approved the trade after significant thought and research, as I do with any significant trade,” Hal Steinbrenner wrote in an email.
The Steinbrenner family lives in Florida and has a long, positive relationship with law enforcement, and I suspect they have received an inkling about how the case is shaping up. Former U.S. assistant district attorney Bryan Seeley heads up MLB’s investigative wing and is digging into the matter, as well.
The last except was from Sherman.
To put it in context, domestic violence is notoriously difficult to prove. That said, should player personnel decisions really be based on a beyond a reasonable doubt standard?
As callous as this is going to sound, innocent until proven guilty. If he's guilty, I hope MLB hammers him. I also hope Chapman is genuinely repentant, as I said above, if he did it. But I'm not going to say they absolutely should have avoided this deal unless and until the facts come out.
Phil, this comment is spot-on: "There appear to be no consequences for veteran shortcomings, but infallibility is expected of rookies who want to play."
Mike
Then standard isn't innocence, it' may not even be guilty or not guilty. It could be whether or not a prosecutor thinks he can establish a case that can withstand scrutiny by deep-pocketed lawyers.
I don't presume to know whether a crime was committed, but based on police reports, at the very least some ugly shit went down.
The yahoo article I read had a statement from a cop that said Chapman admitted to firing his gun into the wall in his garage but adamantly denied putting his hands on the gf. The cop went on to note that the gf had no marks around her neck that would indicate strangulation. We'll just let it play out -- if MLB does suspend him, it shockingly could workout in NY favor as it may delay his service time and thus push FA back a year.
Either way, I love the deal and the roster flexibility it creates for any future moves.
Would they suspend him for firing a gun?
Trade Headley and I will start thinking they care about roster flexibility.
If all he did was poke his girlfriend and fire a gun at an inanimate object, no, I do not think that should preclude the Yankees from dealing for him. I would hope sincerely they did their due diligence, and that Chapman realizes he has anger issues that need to be taken care of if that's all that went down. But I'm not ready to group him in with the likes of Greg Hardy just yet.
I think Harper nails it. No one could possibly know with certainty what happened. But when you have terrible contracts all over the field because of prior bad decisions, and you don't want to sit them or swallow them, yet are unwilling, rightly or wrongly, to sign Price and Heyward, the only way to pretend or contend is to take a risk on a devalued asset who stands a very good chance of being suspended. If the Sox did that, a lot of Yankee fans would , not without some justification, attack them.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/harper-yankees-deal-troubled-chapman-stench-article-1.2479262
I share everyone's concerns as well. Domestic issues are very troubling, but sometimes it is very hard to ascertain what happened without physical evidence, and none of us know if there is any or what it says. So I won't feel comfortable even if we get a report that "it was an accident and fortunately nobody got hurt" or "nobody did nothing to nobody".
Apparently the Marlins were one of the teams that lost out on Chapman.
That's interesting because they might also be plugged into Florida law enforcement.
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