Eovaldi Goes 4 Strong
posted by Kalel9 @ 11:12 AM
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Sunday, March 15, 2015
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If Slade could just stay on the field we might have something.
Great trade by Cashman landing Eovaldi. I see a good season from him working under Rothchild and McCann
It may be his first good trade in years, but is way too early to know. Calling it great now is ridiculously premature.
Let's not try to govern each other's excitement around here. Guy throws 98 and develops a split while being well short of 30 is pretty provocative on the excitement scale.
That trade for McCarthy was pretty good too- even Pineda deal looks good now too...I've said it time and time again that I have really high expectations for Eovaldi this year. I really think he is going to breakout
Great in terms of what they gave up for him and the Pineda for Montero is looking terrific as well.
Montero was hardly a catcher and they sold high based on his hitting potential.
We don't know what he is though. I have patience. So if he pitches the way he did in Miami, i can live with that. Just as I can live with Refs' learning curve. Unlike you, I am consistent.
As for Pineda, when you make a trade for a pitcher who was injured for two full years after the trade and part of the third season, anything good that comes from it is pure luck.
As for McCarthy, the thought process behind the grade was misguided. They weren't winning anything with or without him.
They needed, and still need, youth, especially on offense.
And youth is the reason I like the Eovaldi trade, again, even if he struggles for long periods.
I think the Analytics Team is coming up with a lot of the trade targets.
The only thing you're consistent in LINJ is being a speculative, complaining, pessimistic fan.
The Pineda trade is not "pure luck". Injuries are apart of the game and they traded for a YOUNG talented pitcher.
You seem to criticize EVERY move made and make up bs excuses as to why they weren't good, case in point the McCarthy trade was "misguided".
You also hated the Prado trade and look how that turned out.
Ref's need repetitions at 2b to improve his footwork. Doing that in NY is not going to help his development when you have the media scrutinizing over every little mistake. If you can't routinely make basic plays at a critical defensive position, you can't play in the MLB.
You think Joe Maddon would ever let someone play 2b who can't turn a double play? Donnie wouldn't even allow such a thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Yanks had some off the field reasons for trading Montero. There are some players they just seem not to want to keep, such as Russell Martin and Melky Cabrera, and I had a sense that might have been the case with Cano, although Cano ultimately priced himself out of town. From afar, I had hope for Montero because he had shown the ability to learn how to hit at every level, but he certainly flamed out in the bugs.
I wrote "bigs" -- cursed spell check!!!!
Eovaldi so far, seems like a different pitcher than he was in Florida. Is it that he is throwing a splitter-type more often? Is he changing the way he attacks hitters?
I don't know, but the Yankee pitching coach seems to have some ides that work with guys.
Here's hoping it continues.
To prove that I can view Cashmsn in a balanced way, he reportedly wanted to keep Martin. So credit him for that.
My problem with the Montero trade is that he publicly said before the trade that he had offense to spare and that pitching held the keys to the kingdom.
This at a time when his top hitters were all aging or declining, and increased PED enforcement was foreseeable.
He did have Swisher to trade who had one year left on his contract and they were unlikely re-sign him.
So that was the play, or if he was hellbent on trading Montero, package him for young offense, preferably a SS/3B because the cornerstones of the prior 10 years were nearing the end.
Instead they traded for a pitcher in the injury matrix whose velo had declined in the 2nd half of 2011.
Maybe he will be awesome from this point forward, but that was a lottery ticket rather than a plan.
I think Cash always planned to flip Montero for pitching. He had traded him for Cliff Lee earlier only to have that deal fall apart during David Adams' physical.
Btw everyone, refute and disagree, but don't disparage each other.
You're all irreplaceable around here.
That could be, and it's one of many reasons why it's time for fresh eyes. But Hal only wants YES men.
"The only thing you're consistent in LINJ is being a speculative, complaining, pessimistic fan."
I don't always read your posts, but because of the heads up I went back.
I consider that a compliment coming from you.
Was anyone pessimistic in 1998? No. Why? Because of they run the best run team in sports, except the Lakers.
Now. Nope. Thanks again.
Montero had to be traded for 2 factors:
1. He couldn't catch and the only 2 other spots he could play was 1b and DH. Both of which were locked up long term due to Teixiera and other long term contracts.
2. Who is trading a potential everyday/above avg 3B/SS for a guy who's limited to DH/1B? No one. The velocity drop is/was attributed to him throwing more innings than ever. He wasn't damaged goods when we traded for him.
A lot of people fail to realize that Pineda was 21 when got him, basically a college junior. He came to camp out of shape, tried to play catch up and got hurt. He seems to have learned from that experience, matured and is now even looked upon as a leader to the majority of the latin pitchers we have.
I don't see it as a lottery ticket. If he was in A ball, sure but he had already proven he can succeed at the ML level and do so at the upper echelon of SP.
Phil-
I don't know where to post this but I'm betting the Yanks are targeting Kevin Newman with their 1st this year. Kid has crushed it on the cape for the past 2 years and is projected to stay at SS.
Separately, I was talking to my old pitching coach at St Johns, who's now at Vanderbilt and he said Carson Fullmer is going to be Lincecum-esque in pro ball. Kid has lights out stuff and is one of the toughest competitors. I'd love if we targeted him but I don't recall any college SP drafted by Oppenheimer since IPK/Joba.
Also, the 2016 draft is going to be a once in a decade draft when it comes to pitching talent. Cal Quantrill (Yanks drafted him but he went to Stanford) was projected 1-1 but he underwent TJ yesterday. Hopefully he makes it back in time for his draft year. Another name to remember is Jordan Sheffield.
Who gives a shit if he can catch, he owned the RF porch.
Being called the Bombers has kind of worked for them for almost 100 years, until...now.
It's one thing to draft a pitcher, it's another to give up a big offensive asset for one in the injury matrix. Young pitchers get hurt. Montero was one of the valuable assets in MLB. That makes it a lottery pick no matter what you think.
He had a sore shoulder with GREATLY diminished velo, yet the Yankees somehow had him compete for a rotation spot rather than letting him get in shape and rest.
That was so dumb it's scary.
Catching is the second most, if not the most critical position on the baseball field.
No team today will win a world series with a significantly below average defender at the position. Do you think it's a coincidence that SF has won 3 world series since Buster Posey has taken over the reigns? Or that the Cardinals have been consistently in the NLCS/WS since Yadier Molina took over? NOPE
But idk why I'm arguing this with you as you really show no care for defense witnessed by your insistance with having Refs play 2b even though he can't make routine plays.
Back to Pineda/Montero; It's not a lottery ticket in the least bit. You have a player who's already been selected to an ASG as a rookie versus a player with zero positional value who has had a brief cameo in the bigs.
Injury rate for pitchers is high but so is the flameout rate of hitters. If Montero can't be an above average hitter, he's useless cause he can't play anywhere on the diamond.
I don't see how you can rationalize that Pineda is any more of a lottery ticket than Montero.
No, that's just off.
This isn't basketball or football where parts have to mesh.
It's a team game played by individuals. So if you have strength in some areas, you offset weaknesses in others.
Offensive matters a lot. Defense is largely a function of pitching. Phil says it too.
But if you have a constricted view, then DH Montero. Trade him for a bat.
Don't trade him for a fragile pitcher when his value was at its highest.
To further buttress my point, for years we heard about what disasters Posada and Piazza were behind the plate. Who cares? They raked.
Give me a guy like that over Joe "Freakin" Girardi or any number of gritty no-offense catchers.
And btw, the market agrees with me, as evidenced by contract-size.
I think they're going to get back to their prep proclivities at some point in the draft, but almost all of their first 11 picks will probably be college guys.
What has Piazza ever won? Nothing. Posada in his prime was at least average defensively.
There are areas where you can offset weakness with a strength but catching is not one of them.
But anyway, back to Montero/Pineda deal -- you keep clamoring to trade him for a different hitter yet the reality is no one is trading a hitter on his level that has positional value. It's pretty simple. Pineda wasn't fragile, he only got hurt after the Yankees acquired him. Don't just make stuff up to help augment your flawed argument.
He has the same number of rings as Ernie Banks but less than Clay Bellinger.
Just stop, ok.
It's a silly rebuttal even for you.
Dude, I said Montero in a package. his minor numbers were sick and he projected to be a top hitter; he may still become one.
It was less foreseeable that he would have personal issues than a young pitcher would have an arm injury, and it's not close.
Newsflash: Pitchers under 26 are fragile as a group. Repeat after me: INJURY MATRIX.
Make stuff up? From the guy who doesn't believe Hal's quotes in the NY Times and Cashman's own words.
Forget what I said above.
Enjoy your rich fantasy life.
Please stop with the "you" stuff, guys. Keep it on the facts, teams and players.
that's funny -- when did you show quotes to prove anything wrong? Teixeira? The article linked actually verified my statement.
Everytime I've used an argument with evidence or statistics to supplement my statement, you evade and make up other shit. Just like now, still waiting on you to prove how Pineda was a lottery ticket.
I live in a world that's actually realistic and one that has experience working in a front office. You live in the imaginary world where everything in the newspapers is the bible and a land of make-believe trades based on your own perceived player value.
Sorry, Phil. If there was a mute button, I would have done it for him a long time ago. I won't bother addressing him further.
As a sports writer myself (albeit one who doesn't cover a pro team), I can attest what you read often isn't the whole story. I can't tell you how many times I've spoken to a coach to get quotes, then to ask him off the record the "rest of the story" that he/she couldn't give me on the record. So I wouldn't take what you read/hear in the media as gospel by any means.
I will say I do think Cashman has valued pitching at the expense of hitting, which is one of the things I fault him for. The Montero versus Pineda trade I hated at the time, but if Pineda can stay healthy and Montero never reaches his potential it will be a clear with for the Yankees.
Nice 1st outing by CC hitting 92 on the radar gun.
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