The usual sources are reporting that the Yanks are in serious pursuit of Andrew Miller. Not really sure what this means, given how things have gone down over the last few offseasons. Obviously, I'd rather have Robertson, and failing that, build a bullpen from the system. So, the Yanks could be pursuing Miller to pressure DRob. Or they could be pursuing Miller because they already know DRob is leaving.
I guess we'll see. We do get a pick of DRob signs elsewhere, but I'd still rather have Robertson than Miller, and handedness still doesn't trump goodness and DRob is, and has been, the better pitcher.
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Its being said they could sign both ??What ever is going on it seems to have quieted down some.. 4 hours ago it seemed like a done deal..
I hate this.
Doesn't make sense to me, but it's what I woke up to.
NJL The Hot stove or the possible signing of Miller ??
Absent Robertson, it would show a lack of a strategy, and they could end up paying Miller more than they would have paid Robertson during the season.
If they want to let Robertson go, then build a pen around Betances and Lingren and save the money for...
Offense.
Where are the runs coming from?
Miller.
They should have already locked up DRob.
I don't have an issue with this. If we sign Miller, we let Robertson walk.
So in that scenario, Miller + 1st rounder > Robertson.
That 1st rounder would go a long ways if we were to sign someone like Scherzer.
Billy, this team hasn't got a clue when it comes to drafting in the first round. I'd much rather they go with the guy who has proven he can close in New York, especially with Lindgren waiting in the wings.
Just looked up Miller's stats — yikes, he's got a career BB/9 of 4.9.
No thank you.
Judge and Clarkin look like great first picks, and Jagielo had good power numbers between injuries.
The problem isn't the first rounders, it's been the lack of first round picks, and guys like Ty Hensley and Jags starting out injured.
The years they were taking price fixed guys in the first, they were buy Greg Bird and others later. That was before the rule changes.
Those players have yet to reach the majors. If they keep on the current Yankee farm system trajectory, they should stall out somewhere around AA. :-/
Truth is, their record over the last 10-plus years in the first round has been abysmal. That's why I don't care so much about protecting/earning picks as much as I do making wise investments.
I disagree. Their problem has been a dearth of picks, and lack of draft commitment from ownership. That's why we need the firsts to create the biggest pools and let the scouts do their best work.
It worked out really well in `13 and the scouts even did a nice job in `14 with no pool money.
First, Miller + a 1st isn't > than Robertson because: 1) Robertson is worth a lot more than that; 2) they have a limited around of money to spend and their offense still sucks; and 3) why did they draft Lindgren and trade for a LH reliever if they want Miller?
It is the worst run team, dollar for dollar, in MLB.
I do not think their drafting problems are either/or.
It's both.
The GM is horrendous at supervising the system and the owner doesn't spend consistently.
I think the scouts are good and the owners are bad. I think the Yankee GM is inconsistent and should be replaced, But I also think that whoever the replacment is has to be able to wrangle the owners as much as wrangle the organization.
And I think they have to be able to delegate, and that's why I'm interested to see what this new quadrant system is going to look like.
As I mentioned on the other thread, I mostly grant the scouts point. But it seems like talented kids don't progress like the do in most other organizations.
And yes, the owner sucks too. After all, beyond his own incompetence, he keeps this GM.
Feels like Judge will fly and guys like Bird and Cave might have flown sooner but for injuries and lost time. Had Ravel Santana not had the two big injuries, he's probably be in our OF now, and we wouldn't have had the gap - both real and presumed - that we've had.
The "proven closer" label is pure trash as is the save statistic. How many teams had the same closer at the end of the season last year that they had at the beginning? Less than 10.
Miller may be LH but he has no platoon splits at all as he's not only death to lefties but kills righties too.
If were going off career BB/9, Robertson's 3.8 isn't great either and his entire career was spent in the pen. If you take Millers BB/9 over the lifespan of his reliever days, he's approximately 3.0.
Drafting Lindgren and trading for Wilson has no correlation to signing Miller. They are all different animals and Wilson/Lindgren will be cost controlled for a while.
I don't believe in giving any reliever 3+ years, so I am not the biggest fan. However, I do believe that Miller + 1st > Robertson. We can sit here and say we coulda, shoulda, woulda whatever. Fact of the matter is, that's in the past so let's talk about the present and the future.
If our offense reverts back to the mean, that alone will be a huge offensive spark. I think there will be A LOT of activity this winter and with the GM meetings a week away, we should probably expect a lot of rumors to keep coming up.
The GM GM Meetings were last month. The Winter Meetings are a week away, and where Cashman has often been actiive.
Thanks for clarifying a slight oversight.
"Drafting Lindgren and trading for Wilson has no correlation to signing Miller. They are all different animals and Wilson/Lindgren will be cost controlled for a while."
LH relieving animals though, so...
"f our offense reverts back to the mean, that alone will be a huge offensive spark."
What mean do you think that hitters like Tex and A-Rod should revert to?
More on the "mean"
Last three years OPS+:
McCann: 87, 118, 94
Beltran's is better: 128, 127, 98
But he is going to be 38!!! And how many runs does he cost on defense?
Ellsbury: 84, 113, 111
Gardner: 120, 110, 111 (and hurt yet again this past season)
This offense will almost certainly blow as constructed unless Tex and A-Rod become v. 2009.
Get Miller let Robertson walk and gain a draft pic.
I am sure Scherzer will be inked and they will lose that pic
Billy,
Thanks for the clarification on his starter/reliever splits. I had not realized it was a big difference. Since he's a tall, lanky lefty, it's entirely possible he's just now coming into his own.
Still, I'd rather just go with Robertson all things being equal given his experience in NY and the fact that he's homegrown.
Onto your point about the offense, not trying to be snarky here, but expecting the lineup to "revert back to the mean" falls somewhere between wishful thinking and delusional, IMO.
Signing Scherzer instead of Lester is stupid, and getting a pick doesn't change that.
I wouldn't kill them for signing Scherzer given his (lack of) injury history, but as you pointed out, he throws across his whole body, so who knows if he's a ticking time bomb or not?
As I've said, I'm apathetic toward holding onto the first-round pick due to my lack of faith in the front office's inability to draft well there, but a lefty ace in Yankee Stadium makes much more sense.
Yet all the rumors are about Scherzer not Lester. Could mean nothing. They know they are in a big hole that could get way, way deeper. There are no easy answers at this point.
And the dumbest thing I have read is the thing about trading for a closer.
Markakis !! This better be just a bad rumor...How does he fit?? Please NO !!
Huh? Melky is better and would cost the same. But I can't see either because they have no place to play them.
Wouldn't signing Scherzer actually cost 2 draft picks if they lose DRob -- their own pick and the compensatory pick?
No, you would only lose your own pick. If they signed another player with compensation attached, they would then lose the compensatory pick.
Compensatory picks come from the league, not from the signing team.
Yankees are apparently losing interest in Headley and are looking to play Prado at third and Refs at second.
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-yorkyankees&city=newyork&i=TWT&id=81607&w=1emzd&src=desktop
Why this wasn't the plan from the start, I have no idea.
Thanks for the info. Hope the Refs rumor is true as well.
I'd rather see 4 years for DRob than 3 for Miller or 3 for both Miller and DRob. We know that DRob can handle the closer's job and he's pretty good at it.
On a poor offensive team, Prado doesn't hit enough to play 3B, except for his out of context blip with the Yankees. But they are stuck because of the contract they assumed. As I said at the time, that money should have been reserved for Robertson.
So they don't want Headley because he wants 5 years but they'd go 4????
"That still leaves the Yankees without a shortstop, a position GM Brian Cashman is said to be leaning toward filling via trade rather than free agency. (An Internet rumor that had the Yankees looking to trade Brett Gardner was shot down by my source, who said, "Absolutely not. [The Yankees] love Brett Gardner.")"
As Tina Turner said: "What's love got to do with it?"
Maybe A Rod will play 3rd ??
The Astros may be thinking Robertson is using them.
All this bullshit with Robertson just to continue to be mediocre.
Non-tendering Heathcott and Campos but keeping Rogers?
Robertson and Miller both? Not the worst idea...
I think relievers are becoming over valued, and they already have Betsnces and Lindgren.
And then factor in goofy over managing Joey. Ugh.
I hope we work something out with Campos .I guess with Slade's tools he could have value but bad knee's and shoulder scares me and I understand that move.
One positive is that Cashman does not see the need to cover up for a move that didn't work out, such as drafting Heathcott in the first round.
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