Yankees Still Quiet
posted by Kalel9 @ 2:53 PM
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Wednesday, October 29, 2014
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19 Comments:
This is actually good news since almost every move Cashman has made after the inherited core peaked has it harder to win a WS again, let alone a bunch.
So I hope they do nothing.
Can we stop beating a dead horse with Cashman? Jeez, give it up already we get it.
Onto the topic, rumors are circling that they may have their eyes set on Raul Ibanez as hitting coach if he retires. Since he's still with the Royals, I bet everything is in a holding pattern till after tonight.
I think the Maddon move will either make Shelton or Hinske available, and I think that might be the way they go.
More interested to see what they do with the minor league system.
Why don't you face how bad he is?
Seriously, he's screwing the team I love. No way I stop.
I think there is more to it then just Cash.
The Steinbrenners are ultimately the ones to blame for this mess.
There's also been a bunch of bad luck. It's nobody's fault that CC lost his stuff. Nor that Tex went into such a steep and early decline.
They are dumb or not locking up Cano a few years earlier.
But it's also not their fault that Seattle is insane.
Letting Martin go and then eventually signing McCann is organizational idiocy. And there has been a bit of that.
"Like" button for Kale's last post.
But hard to know if they made a mistake with Cano without knowing the whole course of dealings between the parties, which I certainly have no inkling of. Cano may well have wanted to his free agency last year so much that it would have been impossible to make him an offer he couldn't refuse, especially when Boras was his agent (and of course Boras has never, never negotiated for his own interests rather than his client's, who could dream of such a thing?).
Plus, I wonder if Cano got tired of Girardi and others prodding him to hustle out more grounders and the like. Given his laid-back personality, he may well have wanted to go where nobody would give him a hard time as he added to his statistics and collected his paycheck. I don't know, but I don't rule it out.
Happy game 7 everybody!
The mistake they made with Cano was that they had known once he had his age 27 bust out, it was worth locking him up till he was 35. That's when they should have torn up his old deal and made him a new one.
Losing control of a good player in their 20's in bad enough, but losing one at 30 or 31 because you refused to lock him up earlier is just dumb.
I would also chalk Joba losing several ticks off his fastball and Wang's injury to bad luck. How much different would the rotation be if those two never got hurt?
Still, I don't have much hope for the franchise as long as the same bad mindset of "(Pretend to) WIN NOW!!!!!" rules the day.
I think Wang was bad luck.
I think Joba was a big drinker who would thus get really dehydrated in hot weather like he experienced in Texas and that's why he got injured.
I also think his injury was hastened by the bouncing between the bullpen and starting.
I agree they should have tried to extend Cano's contract to age 35, but would Cano have accepted? He was represented by Boras and Boras may well have envisioned him as setting a new market level when he went FA in 2013(as actually happened, notwithstanding we are in an economic depression). What would have been the offer Cano and Boras could not refuse?
On another tack -- Bumgarner is an all-time WS great, but why no (or almost no) mention of Bob Gibson? There were comparisons to Matthewson, dismissed because he was dead-ball era, and Koufax and a number of pitchers who started two games in a WS and relieved in a third, but Gibson started in nine WS games over three 7-game WS, pitched eight complete games, and won seven of them. One of his losses came when Curt Flood lost a fly ball in the sun, and the other came in 1964 when he was beaten by guess who? I consider Gibson to have been the most dominant WS player post WWII -- why the disregard?
The risk/reward of extending CC given his career IP was not smart.
Sure, the Steinbrenners suck, but the give a GM more tools than almost every other owner.
"There's also been a bunch of bad luck. It's nobody's fault that CC lost his stuff. Nor that Tex went into such a steep and early decline.
They are dumb or not locking up Cano a few years earlier.
But it's also not their fault that Seattle is insane.
Letting Martin go and then eventually signing McCann is organizational idiocy. And there has been a bit of that."
Phil - fabulous post. I give it 10 "likes". It is so on-the-mark.
The Cano move should have been made after the 2010 season. He was almost up to the 2 option seasons, and they should have re-done the contract and added 4-5 more seasons besides the options and the year he had left. I bet he would have grabbed a CC or Tex type of deal back then, and it would have ended by his age ~ 35 season.
And no one could have predicted that CC or Tex would decline so rapidly. Especially Tex, who literally fell off a cliff.
The Steinbrenners are the ones who cut the draft and IFA budget, which was especially egregious since doing so meant the team couldn't take advantage of the system that didn't have the limitations it currently does.
They're also the ones mandating this silly "(pretend to) win now," which is preventing the team from rebuilding and being set up for another run. And they have continued to allow the same draft and development folks to stay in place that haven't produced the desired results.
Aye, you can't blame Cashman for Teixeira. He simply refuses to adjust his hitting approach in spite of all evidence that he desperately needs to.
Talking about cutting the budget misses the point that they still spend a ton.
A lot of the defenses of Cashman remind me of those some gave of Torre years ago.
IOW, if everything isn't perfect, like the perfect pen he had with Nelson and Stanton as the bridge to Mo, then you can't criticize him for sucking at bullpen management after they declined.
Cashman has a ton of advantages, even if his hands are occasionally tied, but he still can't maximize them.
Let's not forget that he publicly stated that he wanted the Cubs' pitchers that bombed for Oakland, just like he publicly stated he wanted Dempster the year before.
So the mess he has created could have been even worse.
You can blame him for Tex or CC or any big free agent because they have to sign expensive free agents because he can't oversee the development of talent.
Giving players over 30 8 year contracts is a foreseeable risk that often blows up in our face, and it has, frequently.
Remember, when Hughes, Joba, and IPK were in the high minors, he stated that he would never have to sign expensive free agents again.
Right.
You can't keep taking the owners' money, knowing their expectations and escape responsibility for serial under-performance once the core he inherited declined.
(Posted a response in the more current thread.)
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